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When I ran ClarkConnect in the past (version 2.1 - 5), one of the things I really wanted was some nice how-to's on setting up VPN and other advanced topics...while those never materialized...I do know that they can be done with little documentation. I've seen the ease of use Amahi Home Server brings and I think that ClearOS for the Home Server could take a page from them.

Amahi is a server OS that actually 'gets it' for end users. They've made a plugin/module framework that allows just about anything to be installed on the webserver and gives a nice, handy interface to control it all and even updates.

ClearOS for Home should target people who don't have a ton of experience managing and updating a server. Until you do that, you're just ClearOS for business that happens to be used at home.

Reference: http://www.amahi.org/

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Kbricked Accepted Answer

I was looking for a powerful home server solution, ClarkConnect was the answer. After working with CC for 2 years I would recommend amahi over CC to most non-tech people I know as a means of an 'out of box' click and go solution. The CC platform allows you to learn the heart of linux in respects to the REHL/CentOS world while giving you an introduction to a well known industry standard to start with and where you are only limited by your desire to learn linux.

However; I really have yet to have my CC server function with little configuration right out of the box. If I was looking for an easy to configure home server that did not require a lot of linux knowledge to work with - and didn't plan on it running everything but the kitchen sink, I could not choose CC/ClearOS as it requires a fair amount of TLC on the command line to make it perform and shine like the apple it is.

I've enjoyed the procesess of breaking my CC box numerous times, getting into squid, learning proFTP, apache, MySQL, linux in general and installing custom rpms's to make my CC box work miracles; only to find nirvina via depenency hell, and of course git-ing a few select CMS's as a means to create instant website. I'd also have to admit its been a little fun doing something in linux; spending an hour or two figuring out how to do it - and then doing the same thing in Windows in 2 seconds flat.

While I've enjoyed this, I can't say that I know many people who; when looking for something that just works and provides more functionality than a linksys router would want to experience the same.

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I was looking for a powerful home server solution, ClarkConnect was the answer. After working with CC for 2 years I would recommend amahi over CC to most non-tech people I know as a means of an 'out of box' click and go solution. The CC platform allows you to learn the heart of linux in respects to the REHL/CentOS world while giving you an introduction to a well known industry standard to start with and where you are only limited by your desire to learn linux. However; I really have yet to have my CC server function with little configuration right out of the box. If I was looking for an easy to configure home server that did not require a lot of linux knowledge to work with - and didn't plan on it running everything but the kitchen sink, I could not choose CC/ClearOS as it requires a fair amount of TLC on the command line to make it perform and shine like the apple it is. I've enjoyed the procesess of breaking my CC box numerous times, getting into squid, learning proFTP, apache, MySQL, linux in general and installing custom rpms's to make my CC box work miracles; only to find nirvina via depenency hell, and of course git-ing a few select CMS's as a means to create instant website. I'd also have to admit its been a little fun doing something in linux; spending an hour or two figuring out how to do it - and then doing the same thing in Windows in 2 seconds flat. While I've enjoyed this, I can't say that I know many people who; when looking for something that just works and provides more functionality than a linksys router would want to experience the same.

15 years ago
Michael Proper Accepted Answer

Derrick,

As mentioned ClearOS Enterprise is not targeted for the home environment, YET. ClearOS Home will be coming out after the Distributed Enterprise and Small Business environments have been completely served.

It’s important to note that we do see a lot of home users using ClearOS in the home environment and able to do some amazing things with it, howtos are gradually growing on that front as well.

Watch for the following release over the coming quarters: (depending upon how the wish's get used on the wishlist)
ClearOS Enterprise
ClearOS Business
ClearOS Home
ClearOS Light

Thank you for your support!

Michael Proper
801.851.5556

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Derrick, As mentioned ClearOS Enterprise is not targeted for the home environment, YET. ClearOS Home will be coming out after the Distributed Enterprise and Small Business environments have been completely served. It’s important to note that we do see a lot of home users using ClearOS in the home environment and able to do some amazing things with it, howtos are gradually growing on that front as well. Watch for the following release over the coming quarters: (depending upon how the wish's get used on the wishlist) ClearOS Enterprise ClearOS Business ClearOS Home ClearOS Light Thank you for your support! Michael Proper 801.851.5556

15 years ago
Legacy Disabled Accepted Answer

Hi Derrick and everyone,

One of the reasons that the Home Edition is on the roadmap for 6.x is just for some of the reasons that you stated --- there needs to be some fundamental changes in the user interface system.

Back in version 4.0, a good chunk of our efforts were focused on the overhauling the software API -- http://www.clearfoundation.com/docs/api/ (for those unfamiliar with the term, just think of it as the underlying engine that nobody sees but makes a car work). We knew at the time that once we had the API under our belts, we could proceed with a similar overhaul to the web interface system in 5.0. Then along came Samba/LDAP/Active Directory to rudely bump the web interface redesign to 6.0. Very rude that LDAP, very rude!

The web interface system was designed before the days of Ajax (or the much maligned phrase "Web 2.0") was mainstream so a patchwork of stuff has just been shimmied on top of the existing system. It's getting very messy. Adding to the mess was our desired to be compatible with a number of OEM solutions that we support ( Vercom's IPlex VoIP/PBX system for example @ http://www.vercomsystems.com/iplexsoftware ). It's time to break that compatibility and go with the redesign.

The GUI/template system itself is not too bad as it is. It just needs a little bit more polish. The Ajax/Javascript engine is all ad-hoc right now -- there's no framework at all! And, of course, there's a huge gap in developer documentation too.

To make a long story short, the Home Edition is going to drive the web interface system more than the more staid Enterprise Edition... that's for sure. We should start talking about the high level requirements for the Home Edition, well... kind of now.

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Hi Derrick and everyone, One of the reasons that the Home Edition is on the roadmap for 6.x is just for some of the reasons that you stated --- there needs to be some fundamental changes in the user interface system. Back in version 4.0, a good chunk of our efforts were focused on the overhauling the software API -- http://www.clearfoundation.com/docs/api/ (for those unfamiliar with the term, just think of it as the underlying engine that nobody sees but makes a car work). We knew at the time that once we had the API under our belts, we could proceed with a similar overhaul to the web interface system in 5.0. Then along came Samba/LDAP/Active Directory to rudely bump the web interface redesign to 6.0. Very rude that LDAP, very rude! The web interface system was designed before the days of Ajax (or the much maligned phrase "Web 2.0") was mainstream so a patchwork of stuff has just been shimmied on top of the existing system. It's getting very messy. Adding to the mess was our desired to be compatible with a number of OEM solutions that we support ( Vercom's IPlex VoIP/PBX system for example @ http://www.vercomsystems.com/iplexsoftware ). It's time to break that compatibility and go with the redesign. The GUI/template system itself is not too bad as it is. It just needs a little bit more polish. The Ajax/Javascript engine is all ad-hoc right now -- there's no framework at all! And, of course, there's a huge gap in developer documentation too. To make a long story short, the Home Edition is going to drive the web interface system more than the more staid Enterprise Edition... that's for sure. We should start talking about the high level requirements for the Home Edition, well... kind of now.

15 years ago
Legacy Disabled Accepted Answer

I know that the Documentation Team is just getting underway so guidelines have not yet been posted. It's all a bit ad-hoc right now, but there's no harm in that. Feel free to add to the "Home Edition Group" document @ http://www.clearfoundation.com/docs/groups/home_edition/start For example:

- Feature requirements
- Things you like about Amahi / Windows Home Server
- Things you don't like about Amahi / Windows Home Server

Just hit the "Edit this page" button at the bottom of the page and start editing. Here's the documentation on how to edit wiki style: http://www.clearfoundation.com/docs/wiki/syntax

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I know that the Documentation Team is just getting underway so guidelines have not yet been posted. It's all a bit ad-hoc right now, but there's no harm in that. Feel free to add to the "Home Edition Group" document @ http://www.clearfoundation.com/docs/groups/home_edition/start For example: - Feature requirements - Things you like about Amahi / Windows Home Server - Things you don't like about Amahi / Windows Home Server Just hit the "Edit this page" button at the bottom of the page and start editing. Here's the documentation on how to edit wiki style: http://www.clearfoundation.com/docs/wiki/syntax

15 years ago
Brian Low Accepted Answer

Aloha, I have been running ClarkConnect from Version 2.x to 5 as well. I have found some documentation but a lot of document is out of date and I have had to come up with new documentation for my customers. I would be nice to see if a documentation group could be created to creating and keeping the documentation up to date

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Aloha, I have been running ClarkConnect from Version 2.x to 5 as well. I have found some documentation but a lot of document is out of date and I have had to come up with new documentation for my customers. I would be nice to see if a documentation group could be created to creating and keeping the documentation up to date :)

15 years ago
Bent Are Fikse Accepted Answer

When I saw this discussion earlier tonight, I was quorius for the Amahi. Yes, it looks really something alot easier than CC/CO. But, and for me, this looks like a BIG but:
Where is the security?
If Amahi prioritize security, its quite well hidden. I miss the advanced firewall, proxy, Intrution detection / prevention, antivirus, antispam, antiphishing... Is it there at all? Have been lurking at Amahi homepage for a few hours now, still not found some good info about this. Am I slow??

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When I saw this discussion earlier tonight, I was quorius for the Amahi. Yes, it looks really something alot easier than CC/CO. But, and for me, this looks like a BIG but: Where is the security? If Amahi prioritize security, its quite well hidden. I miss the advanced firewall, proxy, Intrution detection / prevention, antivirus, antispam, antiphishing... Is it there at all? Have been lurking at Amahi homepage for a few hours now, still not found some good info about this. Am I slow??

14 years ago